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Post by Administrator on Aug 6, 2013 13:52:13 GMT -6
Jarmey, I understand that there was a disagreement about your line up position on one of the restarts last weekend. Can you share with the followers waht happened?
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Post by John Milton on Aug 7, 2013 5:56:38 GMT -6
It almost seems like the sole intention of this board is to stir up a coup d'état! I guess I'll play the devil's advocate (and I don't know why as the old board and/or the new board haven't done me any favors).
People make mistakes, officials can't watch all 20 cars at once, they're only human. I've been hosed over my fair share of times on the lineup. And I've gotten away with some stuff I shouldn't have. It all seems to work itself out in the end.
People complaining about the club being broke and donating here or buying that or... Some of the ones I hear most are about buying a golf cart, donating to local businesses, lack of updates, and the money spent on the scoreboard and transponder systems. As far as I can tell, aside from the scoreboard, there doesn't appear to be any major repairs or updates needed on our facility. The Golf Cart was a bit over priced, but it's not like SSMC is a small complex. So the board members are using it to travel fairly quickly from one side of the property to the other while working their backside off for free so we can race. I'm willing to make that sacrifice in return for their free service. The Transponder system is mostly working now (it kicks the lap count to 0 under caution which is when most people look at it) which is more than a lot of tracks can say as most of them don't have that system. I know those didn't exist at local dirt tracks 20 year ago and yet people still went to the races and were pretty much aware of what was going on. Isn't the announcer's job to keep the crowd informed? Can our announcer not manage that small task? And finally donating money, the only donating I know about is to local charities. I have NEVER been against giving a little something to the have nots of the world. According to my bible, God recomends it. It even says in Mark 12:41-43 The temple was big and beautiful. Many people came there to worship God. Inside the temple were some big money boxes. People put money in them. The money was for the temple and all that was used in worship to God. One day Jesus sat across from the money boxes. He saw many rich people put in lots of money. Then one poor woman, a widow, walked up to the boxes. She put in two small copper coins worth less than a penny. Jesus looked at his friends. "This poor woman put in more than the rich people did," he said. "Here's why: the rich people still have much money left. But this woman only had two coins. She did not have any more money. The rich people only gave part of what they had. She gave all of what she had."
We don't have to like our current board, and we can voice our disdain. But the fact remains that to make a change, all you have to do is show up to the off season meetings and elect new people. But, who will those new people be? Not a lot of people left that haven't already been ticked off in some fashion and are still willing to volunteer.
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Post by Wildside on Aug 7, 2013 6:53:50 GMT -6
Thanks for the Sermon, but the board is responsible for running a business. If they are not responsible with this task, this business (our racetrack) will no longer be open for racing. If you are not aware of the major repairs, updates or capital improvements that need to me made and will need to made in the future, you need to take a closer look around.
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Post by jarmey76 on Aug 7, 2013 7:38:35 GMT -6
Admin, you are correct. Again I was the victim of a bad call on the track. I assume that John is not able to see what most everybody else is seeing week after week. I understand when a Bang-Bang type situation happens that I am at the mercy of the officials and I never protest a call that was made in this type of situation. If you were there Saturday then you may reflect during the non-wing race on Lap 12 a caution was called. Then on the restart another caution was thrown right at the restart, this caused my car to load up and would not run clean, running just not well however I never stopped on the track. The car cleared up and I drove to retain my position, and I was told “go to the tail”. This is not an official making a split second call; this is a few people making it really difficult for others to be competitive. If you look at another post from 2 weeks ago you will see that I was the victim of another bad call made by the scoring tower again during a caution. There is a difference when an official has to make a split second call and I get hosed, I agree with you; you take what you get. But when the calls are coming from the tower and you are getting hosed you know there is something more. And to top it all off the bad call on the 20th I was leading the race and that was taken from me, one of the officials even quit after this because he could not believe how much the people in the tower are running things and making decisions and the newly selected official just smiles and turns his head. As for the tracks finances, you must be crazy if you think I am going to believe that the club needs a golf cart to run back and forth from each side of the track. There is nothing on the other side of the track that is necessary for any of the tower personal to have to make multiple trips to and from. I think we all know who and what the golf cart is for. As for donating money; when the club is doing well then I see no reason for us not to be charitable, however the club is not. Furthermore the money in question was not given to a charity; it was giving to a local business to help them get their doors open. That is a hook up from a person that has access to money that was not their own. And lastly I believe this forum is great, we have a place that we can voice our opinion and not be dictated by a person that is able to pick and choose the post they want. I think you have been the most negative person on this forum so far. As for the holy war, that belongs in another forum as well.
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Post by Administrator on Aug 7, 2013 9:45:24 GMT -6
It almost seems like the sole intention of this board is to stir up a coup d'état! I guess I'll play the devil's advocate (and I don't know why as the old board and/or the new board haven't done me any favors). People make mistakes, officials can't watch all 20 cars at once, they're only human. I've been hosed over my fair share of times on the lineup. And I've gotten away with some stuff I shouldn't have. It all seems to work itself out in the end. People complaining about the club being broke and donating here or buying that or... Some of the ones I hear most are about buying a golf cart, donating to local businesses, lack of updates, and the money spent on the scoreboard and transponder systems. As far as I can tell, aside from the scoreboard, there doesn't appear to be any major repairs or updates needed on our facility. The Golf Cart was a bit over priced, but it's not like SSMC is a small complex. So the board members are using it to travel fairly quickly from one side of the property to the other while working their backside off for free so we can race. I'm willing to make that sacrifice in return for their free service. The Transponder system is mostly working now (it kicks the lap count to 0 under caution which is when most people look at it) which is more than a lot of tracks can say as most of them don't have that system. I know those didn't exist at local dirt tracks 20 year ago and yet people still went to the races and were pretty much aware of what was going on. Isn't the announcer's job to keep the crowd informed? Can our announcer not manage that small task? And finally donating money, the only donating I know about is to local charities. I have NEVER been against giving a little something to the have nots of the world. According to my bible, God recomends it. It even says in Mark 12:41-43 The temple was big and beautiful. Many people came there to worship God. Inside the temple were some big money boxes. People put money in them. The money was for the temple and all that was used in worship to God. One day Jesus sat across from the money boxes. He saw many rich people put in lots of money. Then one poor woman, a widow, walked up to the boxes. She put in two small copper coins worth less than a penny. Jesus looked at his friends. "This poor woman put in more than the rich people did," he said. "Here's why: the rich people still have much money left. But this woman only had two coins. She did not have any more money. The rich people only gave part of what they had. She gave all of what she had." We don't have to like our current board, and we can voice our disdain. But the fact remains that to make a change, all you have to do is show up to the off season meetings and elect new people. But, who will those new people be? Not a lot of people left that haven't already been ticked off in some fashion and are still willing to volunteer. Au contraire John Milton…it is not the sole purpose of this forum to “stir a coup d'état”. In fact, it was only created for the SSMC fan base that has been cheated by the current board when the General Discussion forum section of club owned website was removed. A place for members, racers and fans to share thoughts and ideas. It is just a place for people to speak freely. This thread was started to get a racers point of view of a hotly contested disagreement. Those who witnessed the argument between racer and official only saw a small part of the story. Responses on a public forum allow both sides of a story to be told, if each side chooses to tell their side. It can be a learning experience for others. It can open the eyes of those making the rules, or making rulings on the track, to maybe find a better solution. Maybe after discussing both sides, we will find out that there is not a better solution the call…or just maybe, someone will come up with a way better solution through sharing and debating of the issue. |
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Post by dirtslinger on Aug 7, 2013 10:14:53 GMT -6
I aint gonna lie, rodney can be hard to get along with sometimes but he does a pretty good job overall. if i had to do his job and had people yell at me every night i would be a hell of a lot tougher to get along with than he is! Hell even the nfl refs make some wrong calls or dont see everything that happens in a play. how could rodney see every car and every cause of wreck. sounds like a judment call jarmey76 and you was on the wrong end of it. sometimes they go your way and sometimes they dont i guess. this does sound like a raw deal jarmey76.
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Post by jarmey76 on Aug 7, 2013 14:34:46 GMT -6
I don’t want to beat a dead horse but I think you are missing the point, I did in fact give Rodney a good thrashing but I believe the call came from the tower. This was not a call that was made when racing was happening and someone had to make a quick decision, this call was made under a caution. As was the call from a few weeks ago, Rodney is not making these calls and if he is then he clearly is playing the favorite’s game. One more time; we took the Green flag, then as I entered turn 1 the caution was out, so I lifted and this caused my car to load up and not run well. I was able to keep moving and when I entered turn 3 the car cleared and I moved forward to where I would have been, then over the race-iver I was told 76 to the tail. After the race while discussing my displeasure with Rodney he stated that the original caution was clear and that they had to throw another caution because I was not in line. I may be wrong but I do not believe you can turn off the yellow if your cars are not in line and ready to go. But this was his statements “you caused the second yellow to come out”. Make of it what you want but I assure you if it was a bad call made when racing I would not have ever approached the official, I understand that is a difficult job. But if you are going to help the board keep someone from being competitive then you will hear me voice my distain.
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Post by slider69 on Aug 7, 2013 15:55:10 GMT -6
Jarmey76. If am correct you have video of every race you are in. Those that want to question the point can easily watch a video. I agree sometimes it is a racing incident. However, all you have to is go back to previous lap on computer to set lineup. Some are getting hosed by dictators in charge. I saw it happen in the jr class. Board members kid crashed a car Caused yellow. Both cars sent to tail. Guess who was in front of crashed car. You guessed it. Board members kid. Same one that got new flag man released. Hmmm. I asked Rodney. His response I didn't see it. Oh, by the way. I don't have a kid in that class. I just want fair races.
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Post by Brett on Aug 7, 2013 17:09:51 GMT -6
Slider69, the issue about someone causing a caution and then getting lined up in front of the other car was an issue that was brought up. Not just in the JR class, but all classes. Herschel and the scorers had been referring back to the last lap when relining cars during a caution when multiple cars were involved. I brought up the fact that if a car causes a caution, the SHOULD NOT be lined up in front of the other cars involved. It was agreed that I was right and that we would make that adjustment and from what I have been seeing the weeks following, that has been the way we do the line up. Car that causes caution to the rear, all others involved are lined up according to how they were running the last scored lap. I have explained to anyone that has had a question about what is going on and came to me at the pit tower about why that particular car was placed like it was.
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Post by 7476dad on Aug 7, 2013 21:05:34 GMT -6
In a lot of cases we actually have two video's as we have go-pro on the car. You can watch them on you tube under team 74&76 racing. We also, have a still pic of one of the incident's 2 weeks ago that Chris or Liz took with Rodney watching straight on in the background with his arms crossed! However, when Jarmey question Rodney about not making a call he said "oh,it was just a racing thing!" Rodney has previously said "I can't watch video"! When you are talking to Rodney he couldn't care less about what you are saying...He is just a hand puppet there and we all know how these are designed to work!!!
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Post by Kevin Lomax on Aug 8, 2013 5:26:04 GMT -6
I saw the NW incident over the weekend and it was the right call. The yellow light had been turned off with the leader going down the backstretch and the 76 car started to slow down. Yes, he did NOT stop, but they had to turn the yellow light back on at the same time the car started moving again. Therefore, he caused a yellow flag and had to go to the tail. It was the right call. Sorry, I know you guys don't want to hear that, but it was. There were 20 other cars on the track and none of them slowed down, why should they have to wait for your ill running car? Curious, what if he looks at the video? The race is over, so what good is that? Can't change the past. Even if he made a bad call, doesn't mean he can change it then. Lick your wounds and move on. I am no building inspector so I guess I don't know what is wrong with the property. Some one above mentioned the same thing and then a few others told him he was blind but didn't cite any examples. They just told him to look around. I have and I don't see what's wrong. So please, give me some examples I can check out this weekend. As to the "holy war", I disagree that his comment belongs on a different forum. Last I checked, people have the freedom of speech and religion in this country. It's ok for everyone to come on here and bash the board but God forbid someone bring up the bible! You don't have to believe what he believes, his point was still valid. I'm a man of science personally, but that doesn't mean his post offended me as I still think the bible is a good book for setting the standards of morals and human interactions. And from what I can tell, it wouldn't hurt some of you guys to read it. And just remember that those who bash me for saying that are likely the ones that need to be in the front of the line to read it.
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Post by Johnna Thompson on Aug 8, 2013 9:39:30 GMT -6
Ok, I guess it is time to give my two cents, not that anybody cares but I do!
Showing a video to the person that made the call and they admitting they were wrong is probably all he wanted. He knew is wasn't going to change the outcome but an "dang man I'm sorry I made the wrong call and I apologize" would have probably set very well with Jaremy. But the I don't care attitude did not and I do not blame him one bit.
Green light should have never been given if the car clearly wasn't up with the rest of the pack, what's one more lap, period end of subject, totally bad call. Or, maybe there is a problem with the light swtiches b/c I believe there was a yellow turned on and the green flag was flying at one point oh and wait also I believe a red light came on when it wasn't suppose too this happened all within the last couple weeks.....hmmm better check the wiring!!!
The weekend of the 20th....let's see. Tower, Michelle and Jackie were on vacation. Pit Board, Brett was on vacation. I would have been in the tower but that Tuesday prior my husband was let go as flagman, therefore I stepped down from my VOLUNTEER position in the tower. So let's see Johnna, Michelle and Jackie gone from tower. Pit tower guy was gone and flagman had been fired. SO the explanation Brett had given I guess couldn't be enforced on the night of the 20th because Brett/Jackie/Johnna/Hershel/Michelle were not present. Hmmmmm guess that left Tara in charge and she was up in the tower scoring! Maybe you could ask her why the lineup was done the was it was on the 20th. You can go back and view the previous lap prior to the yellow on the computer or even loo at the hand score sheets. I am sure without a doubt she will have an answer for you, probably not the one you want to hear, but she will have an answer!
Jarmey, tell everyone good luck this weekend and let us know when you are back at SSMC, see y'all soon. Let us know what ma's cooking and we can add a little something!
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Post by slider69 on Aug 8, 2013 11:27:11 GMT -6
Kevin. I agree with you on saying that if the guy wanted to quote the Bible to make his point then so be it. The biggest issue is why is it having to be posted on this forum. Why can't it posted on SSMC forum that is owned by the club members. The general forum should of never been removed. That's free speech being bashed
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Post by Holy Cow on Aug 8, 2013 14:39:53 GMT -6
Slider69, I am guessing it got removed because people were asking questions and bringing up things that the board either did not want to address/answer or did not want the people reading the forum to think about. What other reason could it be? The board seems to be really good at not answering questions that are asked of them or providing proof when asked.
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Post by crashtestdummy on Aug 9, 2013 9:12:12 GMT -6
Slider69, the issue about someone causing a caution and then getting lined up in front of the other car was an issue that was brought up. Not just in the JR class, but all classes. Herschel and the scorers had been referring back to the last lap when relining cars during a caution when multiple cars were involved. I brought up the fact that if a car causes a caution, the SHOULD NOT be lined up in front of the other cars involved. It was agreed that I was right and that we would make that adjustment and from what I have been seeing the weeks following, that has been the way we do the line up. Car that causes caution to the rear, all others involved are lined up according to how they were running the last scored lap. I have explained to anyone that has had a question about what is going on and came to me at the pit tower about why that particular car was placed like it was. Brett thanks for the explination. That clears it a little for me and hopefully most of us. We are all human and giong to make human mistakes. Communication between drivers and crew and race officials is how we all learn to better understand the rules and how/why to use them correctly. I agree with a few posters that the club forum is the place to do this public education...but them guys took it down. Can't change a judgment call once race is over. We can all learn from the situation and hopefully make better calls in future races. In defense of our judges, our rules are not cleear in lots of areas leaving our officials to do their best on a call without a clear definition of what to do. |
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Post by alwaywrong84 on Aug 13, 2013 21:09:04 GMT -6
A misconception many have is that only if you stop on the track do you go to the back. Not so.Passing before the cone, going below the cone, hitting the cone, re-entering track from the infield in the corner etc. And if memory serves didn't the 76 stop on the track to dispute being sent back? Isn't that an automatic to the tail?
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Post by jarmey76 on Aug 14, 2013 13:46:45 GMT -6
Nope, you are incorrect. I never stopped. I did not talk to a single person while on the racing surface. I approached Rodney after I had returned my car to my pit and walked. I also do not believe that there are "misconceptions", most everybody knows that all of these are violations that require a driver to go to the tail. But if you do not violate any of these rules then whats the call? His statement was that eventhough I was slow the other cars were lined up so the caution was turned off and the green was turned on therefore I was the reason for a caution. Wrong again, the caution should never have been turned off if there was a slow car on the track. On a side note it seems that too many people are discussing issues from the past, I know nothing can be done about a BS call that was made weeks ago, LET IT GO; I have. I want to make this club better for the future, better racing, better staff, a club that is there for the whole club (not just their family). Lets get together and improve a facility that is already way better then most out there. The track is great it is just being ran poorly. I wont give up on SSMC thats why I am still fighting to make it a better place.
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Post by Johnna Thompson on Aug 14, 2013 15:18:41 GMT -6
Amen Jarmey, well put! Let's stop complaining about the problems and find the solutions!!! Let us know what we can do, you know we are here to help.
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